have soared under president obama and john brennan, who served under him, 390 in the past decade in pakistan and yemen, and 340 of those were under obama and brennan, while brennan was serving him. what does that say? is brennan partly responsible for these drone attacks? what does that say about, people are very critical of these drone attacks. >> well success has many fathers and controversy has feuders, the drone attacks brings both. this process was fathered and naureur ud by mike hayden when he was the director of the cia at the very tail end of the bush administration. john brennan comes in at the beginning of the obama administration and builds white house policy and process around it. that's also one of the reasons there are few al qaeda leaders walking around today. >> we've gone from leon panetta to david petraeus briefly and now if john brennan is confirmed, john brennan. is the cia changing? >> the cia has changed drastically drastically, charlie. one of the discussions about john brennan is going to be aside from the counterterrorism paramilitary and drone world they have to get